Can today's career women really have it all?
For twenty- and thirty-somethings, the constant search for the perfect career can be both a blessing and a curse. The grass-is-always-greener mentality can serve as motivation, but it also has a tendency to become a trap, causing us to live in the future rather than enjoying the present.
Or so say mother-daughter pair
Can you explain the premise of your book, Undecided?
Shannon: Thanks to the success of the women's movement, we have all of these choices now, the world is our oyster, we can do anything we want, we can have it all. But as it turns out, while having all these options is great, dealing with them can be sort of a bitch.
While the messages are awesome, there's kind of a flip side. The flip side is all the pressure there is to be all things to all people and have it all, do something really incredible. Also, [experiencing] feelings over what you're missing out on, what you're not doing.
Barbara: It's all so new that there are no generational role models. On top of that, women of my generation have raised their daughters with the sense of, oh, you can do anything you want, aren't you lucky, without considering the difficulty in making those choices and navigating that new terrain. And understanding that there are compromises.
How'd you get turned onto the topic?
Barbara: I had the seed of the idea, then Shannon was the catalyst that turned it into a book. [While working as a professor at
You write that it's impossible to have both a high-powered career and a family. Why? What's wrong with trying to have it all?
Barbara: I don't think there's anything wrong with trying to accomplish that, but if your expectations are [that] both will be perfect, I think you're going to be sorely disappointed, because you can't be in two places at the same time. It's what we call in the book "opportunity cost," which is an economics term. If you're doing A, you can't be doing B. Unless you have an awful lot of help at home, I don't see how you can be at work for 52 hours a week and be arranging play dates and taking your kids to the park and baking cupcakes. It's physically impossible. Of course, men have been doing this for years because they have their wives to do the cupcakes.
When we give younger women the message that hey, you can do everything, you can have it all, it's all going to be perfect, there's a sense of almost failure when you can't do it all.
Why are we setting ourselves up for disappointment by seeking work that's spiritually fulfilling?
Shannon: It's just a little bit unrealistic. Not that it's a bad thing to strive for, I just think that if you're expecting emotional, spiritual, financial, and professional fulfillment out of one place, it's pretty unrealistic. And, in the meantime, if you're getting two out of the three and you're just focusing on the fact that you're missing the spiritual component, maybe you actually have it pretty good. And maybe you can get the real fulfilling thing from someplace else in your life.
Doesn't this apply to men, too?
Barbara: Yes and no. The indecision does apply to men. I think more so than it has before because I think men are stepping up a lot more at home and with family. Which is not to say they're covering their share of the second shift, but they're doing more than their dads did.
But here's where I think it's different. Men have been raised for generations to know what their role is, to go seek and conquer, to go out and slay the dragons. Their role is more defined. They've got role models. The culture accepts that. For women, it's new. We have that extra layer on top of trying to figure this all out.
You make another distinction in the book, saying women's choices are more loaded than men's. Why?
Shannon: One not insignificant factor is the biological clock. It's a sad fact of life and it's not fair, but it's a fact. Women have a deadline on having kids, where men don't. So if you want to make that work ... It adds another level of pressure and angst. If I do this -- it's like a chess move -- what does it mean for this and this and that?
When it comes to career, what's the difference between settling and making a compromise?
Shannon: It's a difference of perspective, really. Settling is sort of the dirty word. It's the shadow of a compromise, where compromise is a little bit more positive. Along with the women's empowerment messages, accepting anything less than perfect, less than the best possible man, job, apartment, outfit of your dreams is settling. And settling is selling yourself short. How dare you? You can be in a great job, but it doesn't have X, so rather than being like, this job is so excellent, it gives me this, this, and this, it's like, well, I'm really settling on this one factor, so therefore maybe I can do better.
What advice do you have for women who think the grass always looks greener on the other side, particularly when it comes to career?
Shannon: If you really feel that way, don't be afraid to try. We're all going to have something like 10 jobs in our lifetime. One of the big ironies is that for all of the angst over all of these decisions, things are so much less permanent than they used to be, whether you're talking about a job or a relationship or a mortgage. People don't settle on one path and stick to it like they used to. So allow yourself to try things and allow yourself to fail.
Barbara: Redefine what you mean by happiness or satisfaction. Culturally, we're very aspirational and we tend to measure satisfaction or happiness by externals, when in reality, studies have shown that only about 10 percent of your well-being or your happiness has to do with changed circumstances. So you may be lusting after that new job or new house or new boyfriend, and maybe at the moment that will make you happy, but a few months down the line, you'll be back where you started. Get rid of that arrival fallacy.
You make a point in the book about how online identities play into this. How does the digital world factor in?
Shannon: It puts what's going on on the other side of the fence right up in your face at all possible times. And it's not the reality of what's going on on the other side of the fence. It's a very meticulously curated, very crafted image that other people are portraying -- just in the same way that you do and I do -- of their lives. We get sucked into the comparison game and the grass-is-always-greener [mentality].
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